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Why some people get banned (explanation)

Journal Entry: Tue Apr 24, 2012, 10:03 PM

Today there were a few bannings that happened of some somewhat well known deviants and a big known group. A lot of people who followed the group/deviants are wondering why they got banned etc. Just as an educational bit I want to show people the dA etiquette Policy that you were supposed to have agreed to when you joined the site (yet surprisingly so many people don't read it.) It can be found here:

I'll go by selected sections that pertain to the behavior that's been going on and add some notes of my own:

Introduction



All members of the deviantART community are expected to be familiar with these rules of etiquette and they will be enforced evenly and without bias in every situation which is brought to the attention of the administration regardless of the membership status of the user in question.

You are EXPECTED to be familiar with these rules of etiquette, wow guys I wonder how many of us are?

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Prohibited Commentary


Prohibited commentary is typically considered to be inherently disrespectful, aggressive, or otherwise abusive.

We must insist that you refrain from comments which are racist, bigoted, or which otherwise offensively target a philosophy or religion. In addition we ask that our members avoid making offensive remarks based on gender or sexual preference and that you do not make any remark, comment or critique which is intended to be a direct insult to an individual, group, or genre of artwork. Hate propaganda is met with zero tolerance. Comments which are overly aggressive, personally insulting or needlessly abusive are also prohibited.

If you feel that you have been the target of harassment, personal insults or other severe behavior please notify the staff by using the official deviantART helpdesk. Please be aware that the staff will only directly intervene in cases which are considered severe; minor situations may be dealt with using tools made available to all registered members.

This means you cannot go and attack people for 'fun' or 'lolz'.  Attacking some one because of a claim in military status they made, because they support something, because they're an art thief (although it feels good to get them), because they're Christian, because they like attention, because they're a beginner artist etc is simply not allowed.  This includes comments, journals, deviations, blogs etc.  

Also as the end states, if you are targeted for this sort of ill behavior DO REPORT IT, don't fight fire with fire. That behavior is not allowed and you don't have to put up with it.


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Discouraged Commentary



Discouraged commentary is typically considered to have the potential to escalate into an aggressive or abusive situation.

While not strictly prohibited we must insist that all personal arguments, disagreements, and other volatile "personal" issues within be confined to private communications such as Notes, emails, or Instant Messaging programs. Likewise we discourage public accusations and other similar situations; please bring all issues of this nature to the attention of the staff by notifying the official deviantART helpdesk.

Posting a journal letting people know you're being attacked behind your back is fine if the other person is attacking you non-privately and all over dA on your deviations,  in blogs/journals and getting others to come attack you.  Just don't send people after them back on accident or purpose, that makes it worse.

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This part here is from the Terms of Service, found here: about.deviantart.com/policy/se… that YOU clicked 'agree' to and promised to withhold when you joined dA. If you can comment here, your promised this.

8. Conduct

You agree that you shall not interfere with or disrupt (or attempt to interfere with or disrupt) this Service or servers or networks connected to this Service, or to disobey any requirements, procedures, policies or regulations of networks connected to this Service; or provide any information to deviantART that is false or misleading, that attempts to hide your identity or that you do not have the right to disclose. deviantART does not endorse any content placed on the Service by third parties or any opinions or advice contained in such content. You agree to defend, indemnify, and hold harmless deviantART, its officers, directors, employees and agents, from and against any claims, liabilities, damages, losses, and expenses, including, without limitation, reasonable legal and expert fees, arising out of or in any way connected with your access to or use of the Services, or your violation of these Terms.

This means you may not EVER post some one's real full name, address, phone number, email or anything identifying like that at all EVER on dA. Let alone dig up this info yourself and find a way to call and harass a person, send them spam emails, hack their accounts, change their passwords etc or anything of that nature. Private information is just that, private and is not to be shared or divulged against the other person's will.

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19. Conduct

You agree to be subject to and to conduct yourself in accordance with the deviantART Etiquette Policy.You are responsible for all of Your Content you upload, download, and otherwise copy, distribute and display using the Service. You must have the legal right to copy, distribute and display all parts of any content that you upload, download and otherwise copy, distribute and display. Content provided to you by others, or made available through websites, magazines, books and other sources, are protected by copyright and should not be uploaded, downloaded, or otherwise copied, distributed or displayed without the consent of the copyright owner or as otherwise permitted by law. Please refer to deviantART's Copyright Policy for further details.

You agree not to use the Service:

*To upload, post, or otherwise transmit any material that is obscene, offensive, blasphemous, pornographic, unlawful, threatening, menacing, abusive, harmful, an invasion of privacy or publicity rights, defamatory, libelous, vulgar, illegal or otherwise objectionable;

(cut out some of it, just kept the line about behavior): Right here means by a few words:
Menacing: anything mean or scary against another person/group/religion/etc.
Abusive:  Anything saying mean things, calling names or otherwise hurting another person/group/religion/etc's reputation in any way.
Harmful:  Anything mean, derogatory or otherwise hurting another person/group/region/etc's reputation, self-esteem or health in any way.
An invasion of privacy or publicity rights:   As listed above about posting other's info without their permission or using it to harass them off dA.
Defamatory:  This means slandering, lying about or otherwise hurting a person/group/religion/etc's reputation whether true or not.
Vulgar:  this means SWEARING, CUSSING, ill mannered, rude, dirty mouthed or otherwise using derogatory or racial terms at or about a person/group/religion/etc.
Otherwise objectionable:  If you wouldn't want it said to/about you then don't say it to/about some one else. If you hate getting made fun of even in little ways... why on earth would you do that to some one else?


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On a side note, what a lot of this describes is bullying. So many people seem to not understand this anymore. If you say or do anything to harm a person physically, mentally, destroy their reputation, make them feel intimidated, harm their property etc you are bullying them no matter how lightly.

Bullying can be considered a mental disease by some and it diagnosed by those with something called low self-esteem. These individuals think the only way to feel good about themselves is to bring others down, gain attention for themselves and make sure other people are more miserable than they are.

Bullying, harassment and like behavior is a serious issue and it cannot be allowed to happen on this site or any other. This is why the Etiquette Policy and the Terms and Conditions are here on dA to tell you what it is and why it's not allowed and that behaving as such will get you banned.

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That's all I have to show you guys and hopefully this helps some confused people understand why some people got banned, why a certain big group just got banned and what you can do to avoid being banned. The people and group in question violated one or all of these terms, conditions or parts of the etiquette policy. Even if you post disclaimers on a blog that's attacking some one, it doesn't make it ok. You just can't break these rules.

My personal comments are in no way endorsed or approved by dA they are just my explanations and understanding of these rules as written.

Some links for you to read on etiquette, terms, conditions, dArama and today's happenings:
about.deviantart.com/policy/et…
about.deviantart.com/policy/se…
spyed.deviantart.com/art/dAram…
fav.me/d4xkagg
fav.me/d4w71mh

Hope this helps some people understand what's going on, some terms and what they can do about it to keep participating in this community.

AJ
P.S. yes, I am one of those people that reads the policy before joining a site, reads the users manual to every thing I own and surrounds myself with rules, regulations, definitions and wanting to know what I'm talking about.

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Love-and-Blades Featured By Owner May 6, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Ha ha, I also read the user manuals and skim through the rules and regulations... so I'm not so weird...
But I think it's great that you've written this. Not many know about these things...
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AJ333 Featured By Owner May 6, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Thanks, I've been hoping this'll be a good help to people :)
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SueaNoi Featured By Owner May 1, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I used to report people bullying other person like in the explanation. For some reason, after 3 weeks later, I got a message from the admin telling me to "forget about it." And the bully was not banned. Nothing was done.


I don't understand why they're protecting art thieves so much........ We can't attack them, when we report them the admins do nothing. So we literally can do nothing?
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AJ333 Featured By Owner May 1, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah the thing is the person getting attacked has to be the one to report.

As to the art thief thing, if you read the rules and regulations of copyright laws reporting it will do nothing. The average person that finds art theft can report it but it's low priority at the help desk to report a deviation. The only people who can legally ask for an art work to be removed is the original artist and/or their agent. You or I can't report a stolen work and ask for it down. dA can't legally do anything about it if we're not the original artist. :shrug:
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SueaNoi Featured By Owner May 1, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
The person being attacked did report several times, too. still, they did nothing. That story was almost a year ago.
The attacker was in the "butt hurt brigade" group. So I guess he might have been banned by now?

Also, there were several times when the original artist report, and they still do nothing. They tell the artist that the reported art and the original art were not exactly alike. (but it was definitely altered from the original one.) So, it's not art thief.

So, the original artist wrote a journal about it. Her watchers became raged and flame war broke out for several days.
Several reports were made from both sides.
No one from either sides were banned.
The original artist was fed up and deleted her own account.

This is a true story that happened 2 years ago on this very DA. How do you explain that? (I'm sorry if I sound offensive, but I just really want to believe in DA that they're doing the right thing. I just can't explain it.)

Also, their protection does not include designs. If the thief steals a character design, redraws it, and renames it, DA does nothing. Not even when the original artist report them. because "they were not exactly alike." even though they were absolutely the same character. the designs were alike to the very little marking on the clothes. but the legs were not pointing to the same direction.
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AJ333 Featured By Owner May 2, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Firstly yeah. In the BHB for a while dA wasn't banning people. They were gathering info and finally decided the BHB and it's leaders were a problem on dA. So a lot of those people were banned/

Secondly, you do not tell the artist you reported them with a mean comment or otherwise or call them a thief etc because that makes them defensive. You do not write an angry journal. This will make the staff less likely to help your cause if you're being harassed because you're doing it right back.The staff get between 10,000-100,000 submissions of art theft reports a DAY. You can't even look at them all in one day (not humanly possible) and it's hard to decide if it is theft or not very quickly. If you create a mini 'war' as you put it the staff really is less likely to help you from what I can see because if they ban the other person, they'd have to ban you too for doing the same thing harassment wise.


Lastly no copyright protection protects design ever.If some one takes your design and changes it a bit then so be it. There's nothing anyone can really do about it because copyright doesn't protect an idea or design, just the actual work you created. Like with novels, copyright just keeps honest people from copying your story line and that's it. This factor also makes it hard for the staff to call things out because legally there is very little they can do in situations like this.

Yes it sucks some one ripped you off but it happens sometimes. And the best way to deal with it is very nicely explain to that artist you think they 'borrowed' your character design and as the original artist and you're not pleased with that. Let them know you're flatted they like your work that much but you'd like it more if they weren't copying you. It may seem childish to be that nice but they get less defensive that way. If they do get defensive, link your work, leave it at that and block them because technically not stolen.

Hope this helps a bit, copyright is a pain in the butt complicated sometimes.
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SueaNoi Featured By Owner May 3, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
ah, that explains a lot.

Thank you. :)

I will keep that in mind.
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AJ333 Featured By Owner May 3, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Though I forgot to add, the staff is not perfect, nor is any human. So they can make mistakes but I know they try their best :nod:
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lucas420 Featured By Owner Apr 26, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
it's good that you read the Terms & Conditions. :clap:
and this is a good explanation.
still, i will miss mother staples..
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AJ333 Featured By Owner Apr 26, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Thanks, glad you like the explanations :)
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CardcaptorMewChocola Featured By Owner Apr 26, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I honestly thought the group was terrible
And I always wondered why the heck it was there anyway :/
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AJ333 Featured By Owner Apr 26, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
From what I gather it started out as innocent and poking jabs at some things and people on dA but recently it just escalated into full out bullying and such. So it started out for fun and they just went way, way, way too far. Sadly there's a lot of supporters to this kind of behavior and I saw a journal today where some one was yelling and complaining that "oh dA doesn't tell us what's right and wrong and then they just get ban happy" uh, hello, Terms and Conditions that you agree to when you join =/ So yeah. :shrug:
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CardcaptorMewChocola Featured By Owner Apr 26, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Ahh, I see... how 'innocent' was this group to begin with?

And lol yess, I've seen those people XD Are they like, 10 or something ? Surely any idiot would know about the ToS when you join up to any site
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AJ333 Featured By Owner Apr 26, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
No clue, I only saw it near it's ending =/

Yeah =.= It's just like "... really?"
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CardcaptorMewChocola Featured By Owner Apr 26, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I saw it a while back and I honestly thought it was something to do with combating art theft and stuff like that... until I read it :/
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AJ333 Featured By Owner Apr 26, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
It may have used to be :shrug:
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ChloeNArt Featured By Owner Apr 26, 2012  Student
It's good to see an article about this whole drama that is actually looking at it from a logical perspective. Thank you for posting this and explaining the rules so clearly.
I will admit I don't know much about the whole banning drama thing, but I will say that what I saw of the group that did get banned (when I checked out their campaign a few weeks ago), I'm quite relieved the staff have actually stepped up and set an example. To me it just seemed like bullying. (Do correct me if I'm wrong though, as I said, I don't know that much about it, it's just the sense I got from going onto their group page).
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AJ333 Featured By Owner Apr 26, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Welcome, glad you like :)

It was basically large scale bullying that was done for laughs which is sad. Some one I know personally was a target of this behavior and it was quite damaging and stressful to watch them go through what they did. I'm really thankful the staff did step in finally because it was getting to the point I was afraid to say anything about the subject without me or a friend getting attacked and that's not right.
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ApplejackMan Featured By Owner Apr 26, 2012  Student Digital Artist
I wish these rules were enforced a bit more... I'm glad someone is putting up an explanation on how people get banned. I always wondered.
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AJ333 Featured By Owner Apr 26, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Agreed, they could be enforced more. Welcome! :)
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miontre Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
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AJ333 Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
:)
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kitsumekat Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2012
And yet %50 of the site's members brake those rules everyday.
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AJ333 Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Pretty much *sigh*
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kitsumekat Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2012
Worse is when they keep doing it.
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AJ333 Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Agreed. Which is when the mods come in and then everyone whines the mods are ban happy when in reality they're just doing their job that wouldn't need to be done if people just followed the rules :shrug: It's a never ending cycle.
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kitsumekat Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2012
Or don't actually investigate and ban anyways.
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AJ333 Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Heh yeah. They just see banned and assume it's unjust.
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kitsumekat Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2012
Or get the story from the banned person.
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AJ333 Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah which 50% of the time is biased and they won't admit they did anything is wrong. Such is the way of people I guess.

*packs up bags and goes off to be a hermit*
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Jorik-Spiritwolves Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2012  Hobbyist
I have read all the rules of this site as well (once ^^;)
But it's always good to see them again every now and then
I have to confess though that I don't read everything from every site/software I join
Bad, I know ;p

Thanks for sharing and your explenations are very clear :D
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AJ333 Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I read them once but then I've re-read them a lot recently because I was dealing with a few art thieves/trolls for a while at one point and had to quote them. ^^;

Yay glad they were helpful :meow:
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Jorik-Spiritwolves Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2012  Hobbyist
Yeah I really hate people like that -_-"
Fortunately I don't have that much worth stealing in my gallery XD
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AJ333 Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah lol. Me it was thieves of other people's work and anime clips they'd thrown a filter over in Photoshop and claimed was a pencil drawing and it was a really bad filter job too xD They threw such a fit over being called out and show the rules that they apparently blocked me, reported me for harassment based on the idea that O just wanted to get them kicked off the site because I'd 'been on it longer' than them and then sent their friend to come and attack me. It was quite an interesting term of events.
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Jorik-Spiritwolves Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2012  Hobbyist
Sounds more like a very annoying term of events ^^;
Glad you found it interesting.
People like that shouldn've be on this site ;p
Just my personal thoughts.
And their reason to 'attack' you seems very dumb to me...
Maybe they were just very young :)
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AJ333 Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Lol it was annoying, I just say 'interesting' to be nice xD

Yeah I think they were because their typing was very bad spelling and grammar which is a sign of a 9-14 year old in some cases. It could have been a teen who texts too much, who knows :shrug:
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Jorik-Spiritwolves Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2012  Hobbyist
Haha, I thought you might genuinely thought it was interesting XD

Sounds indeed like young teens, or people with English as a second language like me ;p
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AJ333 Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Her page said united states but then again people lie.

Usually there's a big difference between poor English and txt lngo dat iz hrd 2 undrstnd nd iz anoyng wif imprpr grmr like using there, their, they're wrong and such lol.

I did wonder if you knew two or more languages since your English is really good and being from another country I wondered if you had a first language lol. :)
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PoolofFadedMemories Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2012   Writer
Long list of rules. ^^;
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AJ333 Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Heh I only listed like 1/10th of them. The terms and conditions is like.... super long and so is the etiquette policy :faint: Worth a read though!
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PoolofFadedMemories Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2012   Writer
LOL you did?! :XD: ...*re-checks rules* ...O__O Oh you did. Wow that is a ton of rules. :faint:
^^ I should re-read them when I get the time.
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AJ333 Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Heh yeah XD Or at least skim them, they use a lot of complicated words.
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PoolofFadedMemories Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2012   Writer
LOL haha I see! :XD:
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SquirrelGirl15 Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Wow o.O Makes me feel guilty cause usually I just skim the rules....thanks for dissecting this for us ;)
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AJ333 Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
This was written to dA as a whole, not really my watchers because none of you were part of that horrid dArama as far as I know. I was referring to the butthurtbrigade and some of it's leaders.

I think it's like 98% of people don't read the rules or contracts when they join a site or something XD So s'all good.

Glad it's helpful :D
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SquirrelGirl15 Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh, I know, don't worry! I wasn't thinking you wrote it towards your watchers ;)
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ShadowQueen25 Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
I didn't know people were getting banned... and I feel really guilty for not reading all these rules... whoopsie
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AJ333 Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
This was written to dA as a whole, not really my watchers. I was referring to the butthurtbrigade and some of it's leaders.

I think it's like 98% of people don't read the rules or contracts when they join a site or something XD So s'all good.
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ShadowQueen25 Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
I usually skim. I figure most sites have the same rules about certain things.
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AJ333 Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah after a while they are a bit the same xD
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